A key scene from the film The Five Heartbeats is when Duck (Robert Townsend) described how real songwriters suffer. It goes without saying that Ashford & Simpson were responsible for so many musical memories.
In this one on one interview - a rare glimpse of what it's like being a songwriter from Valerie Simpson
Here's the full interview:
https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/songwriters-should-be-prepared-to-go-through-a-lot-of-stuff-to-get-to-the-real-thing/